Updated Selank Trial

by Metabolic Alchemy on January 23, 2012

After my initial success with the Russian Nootropic, Selank, I have decided to do a little experiment (You can read about my initial response to Selank here). Most of the information I have gathered from around the internet suggests a dose of 1-3mg per day. I have been using about 250-500 micrograms of it. Perhaps the higher dosages are because the main route of administration for Selank seemed to be intranasally in the form of a nose spray. It would seem to me, some of the potency would be lost with this method and so injectable forms might prove to be as beneficial, while needing less than normal amounts for the same intended effect. Nevertheless, I’m an adventurer, so what the hell.

I ordered 5 more bottles from here and plan on running 2mg per day for ten days to see what, if anything, arises from this increased dosage. I am splitting the dose up in two injections – late afternoon and early evening. I just recently took my last 1mg injection about twenty minutes ago. I’m struggling to stay awake at this point. Now, let me explain that I did get up rather early this morning so I’m due to feel some fatigue today. There seems to be another level to this fatigue though. Not a knockout feeling, but a subdued and relaxed feeling, urging me to curl up on the couch and let the dog snuggle up next to me as I sleep off the next hour or so.

In general though, sleepiness has not been a common effect for me on this. The effect has been much more qualified as a mood stabilizing effect. I suppose I’m feeling sleepy because I’m tired, I just ate two apples with peanut butter, and I took something that activates, or degrades the enzymes responsible for breaking down endorphins.

You see, one of the the studies I pulled up about Selank mentions that Naloxone, a potent opiate receptor blocker reversed Selank’s ability to make mice get jazzed on apomorphine (Something I’d love to get a hold of one of these days anyways). So it seems we have one mechanism involved with Selank, the ability to modulate our own internal opiate system.

Naloxone-blocked depriming effect of anxiolytic selank on apomorphine-induced behavioral manifestations of hyperfunction of dopamine system.
Meshavkin VK, Kost NV, Sokolov OY, Zolotarev YA, Myasoedov NF, Zozulya AA.
SourceResearch Center of Mental Health, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow. meshavkin@ rcmh.msk.ru
AbstractPeptide anxiolytic selank (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg-Pro-Gly-Pro) applied intraperitoneally in doses of 0.01, 0.1, 1.0, and 10.0 mg/kg to mice reduces behavioral manifestations of dopaminergic system induced by apomorphine in the verticalization test. This effect was comparable to that of atypical antipsychotic olanzapine in near-therapeutic doses (0.1 and 1.0 mg/kg, intraperitoneally) and was blocked with nonselective opioid receptor antagonist naloxone (10 mg/kg, intraperitoneally). Radioreceptor assay showed that selank did not displace nonselective D2-dopamine receptor antagonist (3)H-spiperone (EC50>100 microM) and delta- and micro-opioid receptor ligand 3H-DADLE (EC50>40 microM) from specific binding sites on rat brain membranes. It is hypothesized that the revealed behavioral effect of selank is mediated by its modulating effect on the endogenous opioid system and specifically, by its effect on activity of enkephalin-degrading enzymes.

I found another interesting study here that points out mice that are given a drug that halts serotonin production in the brain were given Selank, and that Selank reversed this inhibition. Perhaps that’s why I’m feeling noddy. Extra serotonin following an indulgent snack during the afternoon =  sleepy time.

[Comparison of the effects of selank and tuftsin on the metabolism of serotonin in the brain of rats pretreated with PCPA].
[Article in Russian]
Semenova TP, kozlovskiĭ II, Zakharova NM, Kozlovskaia MM.
AbstractEffects of the peptide drugs selank (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg-Pro-Gly-Pro) and tuftsin (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg) on the metabolism of serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine, 5-HT) in the brain of Wistar rats preliminarily treated with the 5-HT-synthesis inhibitor p-chlorophenylalanine (PCPA, 320 mg/kg, i.p., 4 days before experiment) have been studied on a group of 87 matured rats. It is established that selank enhances the 5-HT metabolism in the brain stem 30 min after injection to animals pretreated with PCPA. In contrast to selank, tuftsin induced no changes in the 5-HT metabolism in the brain stem and decreased it in the neocortex on the same time scale. The data obtained suggest that the peptide drug selank can be used for the correction of disturbances induced by a decrease in 5-HT metabolism.

Another interesting facet of Selank is that it has anti-viral properties. You see, Selank is an analog of a naturally occurring peptide called tuftsin. Tuftsin is strung together like this Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg, which means a Threonine amino acid is attached to a Lysine which is attached to a Proline which attaches to Arginine. Selank is the same peptide, except for the addition of a Pro-Gly-Pro, or Proline, Glycine Proline.  In mice studies exploring the immune system, scientists have discovered a Proline-Glycine peptide has a pronounced effect on cytokines, chemokines and their respective receptors. If you notice, this almost a near match at the end of the Selank, which is Pro-Gly-Pro. Scientists discovered Selank shares some of this other peptide’s abilities to modulate inflammation signals.

[Comparison of the effects of selank and tuftsin on the metabolism of serotonin in the brain of rats pretreated with PCPA].
[Article in Russian]
Semenova TP, kozlovskiĭ II, Zakharova NM, Kozlovskaia MM.
AbstractEffects of the peptide drugs selank (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg-Pro-Gly-Pro) and tuftsin (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg) on the metabolism of serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine, 5-HT) in the brain of Wistar rats preliminarily treated with the 5-HT-synthesis inhibitor p-chlorophenylalanine (PCPA, 320 mg/kg, i.p., 4 days before experiment) have been studied on a group of 87 matured rats. It is established that selank enhances the 5-HT metabolism in the brain stem 30 min after injection to animals pretreated with PCPA. In contrast to selank, tuftsin induced no changes in the 5-HT metabolism in the brain stem and decreased it in the neocortex on the same time scale. The data obtained suggest that the peptide drug selank can be used for the correction of disturbances induced by a decrease in 5-HT metabolism.

Last but not least I’d like to mention anhedonia. That’s a state of blahness. You simply get no pleasure out of things anymore. Maybe you’re not depressed, hell maybe you are pretty content with life. But nothing pushes your button. Eating seems like a chore, sex just doesn’t get your attention anymore and maybe a favorite hobby of yours has gone unnoticed for a while because it just doesn’t lead to satisfaction. That’s what I say when people ask me what anhedonia is. As a matter of fact, I first explain that this is how I feel, and then I give it the fancy name. I struggle with this issue, if you can call it that.

So what I found so interesting about the research in Selank is that scientists are looking at ways to detect anhedonia in rats. In addition to depression tests, like the forced swimming test (don’t ask), they have added a sucrose taste test in an attempt to measure whether or not the mouse is feeling anhedonic. If the mouse is pretty jazzed, then he will continue to self administer the sucrose. If he just doesn’t get any kicks, then he won’t keep pushing the button. Selank seemed to help restore the hedonic tone of the mice, as more of them continued to self administer the sucrose.

[Effects of heptapeptide selank on genetically-based and situation-provoked symptoms of depression in behavior in WAG/Rij and Wistar rats, and in BALB/c mice].
[Article in Russian]
Sarkisova KIu, Kozlovskiĭ II, Kozlovskaia MM.
AbstractA synthetic derivative of the endogenous peptide tuftsin heptapeptide selank (Thr-Lys-Pro-Arg-Pro-Gly-Pro) possesses an anxiolytic and psychostimulant effect, and represents a working element of a new peptide drug having completed the third phase of the clinical testing as a selective anxiolytic. The neurobiochemical spectrum of selank action combines mechanisms which are characteristics of antidepressants and psychostimulants: activation of the brain monoaminergic systems, dopamine synthesis and turnover, and modulation of the tyrosine hydroxylase activity. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of selank in a new model of inherited (genetically-based) symptoms of depression in behavior of inbred WAG/Rij rats in comparison with its effect on situation-provoked symptoms of depression in behavior of BALB/c mice. Outbred Wistar rats constituted control group. Selank in high doses (1000-2000 microg/kg), after repeated injection counteracted symptoms of depression in behavior of WAG/Rij rats (increased immobilization in the forced swimming test and decreased sucrose intake or preference (anhedonia)). Selank in low doses (100 and 300 microg/kg) after single injection reduced the duration of immobility of BALB/c mice in the forced swimming test, but did not exert significant effect after repeated injection or after injection in high doses (600 and 900 microg/kg). Selank did not affect the level of general locomotor activity and anxiety in WAG/Rij rats, and did not exert substantial effect on the behavior of control Wistar rats. The results demonstrate the presence of antidepressant component in the spectrum of neuropsychotrophyc activity of selank and indicate the higher reliability of a new experimental model of depression (the WAG/Rij rats) as compared to the standard forced swimming test for the determination of antidepressant activity of a pharmacological drug.

So at this point here’s what I know.

  • Selank is based off Tuftsin, an immune peptide produced by the spleen.
  • Selank increases endorphins, most likely via an inhibition of the enzymes that normally keep endorphins in check.
  • Selank restores serotonin metabolism in spite of measures to inhibit it.
  • Selank is immunomodulatory, meaning it has an effect on cytokines, chemokines and their receptors.
  • Selank increases Tyrosine Hydroxylase, which is a rate-limiting step in the production of Dopamine in the brain.

I will write in once more about my trial of 2mg by the end of the week. If things continue at this rate, I may have to buy up as much as I can before it’s run out of stock, or before the “man” decides I don’t know what’s good for me.

 

{ 28 comments… read them below or add one }

daniel April 24, 2012 at 9:25 pm

“Selank increases Tyrosine Hydroxylase, which is a rate-limiting step in the production of Dopamine in the brain.”

So that would have a potentially negative effect on well been, in some aspects?

admin April 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm

I suppose if one was schizophrenic, specifically the kind where mania becomes an issue, then yes that might be of concern. There might even be a slight concern about someone who is bipolar, but even then, this is usually not a simple case of high dopamine = mania.

Essentially, anything that increases tyrosine hydroxylase in the brain will increase your brain’s ability to convert tyrosine into dopamine. This won’t mean you’ll have an excess of dopamine, necessarily.

Were you thinking of another scenario where this could be an issue?

Craig May 11, 2012 at 10:04 am

I think Dan was confused and didn’t understand rare limiting step.
He thinks that it would lower dopamine.
Dan, selank increases the thing that makes more dopamine. So it
Increases well-being.

admin May 13, 2012 at 9:15 am

Thanks Craig, that is what i was trying to explain. Selank will increase the amount of dopamine your brain can make. But then again, as I stated in my original reply, this isn’t necessarily a good thing in bipolar or schizophrenia.

Josh Musser July 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm

I ordered the Selank, and an intranasal applicator. I just have no idea how to prepare the solution, and what substance to mix the Selank with. Please help.

admin July 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm

I’ve responded to this by writing a new post! Check it out…

http://www.metabolicalchemy.com/diy-intranasal-selank-spray/

Josh Musser July 30, 2012 at 6:08 pm

I really appreciate this. I think I actually want to try following your injection protocol. Do you still use baseoleric water and what type of insulin needle do you use? Do you iinject into the fatty tissue of yoru abdomen?

admin July 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm

I’ll drop you a line by email and share with you some information. I don’t want to go publicly into administration of the products because they are still technically for research purposes. It’s a tight line I walk, but I must try…

Ricky August 8, 2012 at 11:33 pm

Hi,
I appreciate you sharing your experiences and especially noting the microgram dosing trial as I am also very sensitive to medications. Would you also email me your preparation and injection protocol? I’d really like to know more about what is involved.

Carl Lenore has been talking about Selank on Super Human Radio including show #1025. Southern Research Co. sell 10 mg for $37.

admin August 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Or you can get it from here http://www.metabolicalchemy.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=selank&product_id=129 for $25.

I will email you shortly with detailed instructions.

peppypeptides August 15, 2012 at 11:37 am

how the selank trial going? just received 10mg and about to begin researching.

please send me dosing details as others requested above. i plan to begin with 500mg daily and go from there… sub q innjection. any input appreciated.

thanks.

admin August 16, 2012 at 10:54 pm

I haven’t taken selank in a while now. It is still one of my favorites, but even good things I tend to cycle through from time to time. Are you needing mixing instructions or are you just asking about what I think a good dosage is? I would start with even less, 250mg. Your virgin receptors will respond nicely to even this low of a dosage. For a 10mg vial with 1 cc of fluid in it, that would only be a tiny mark or two on an insulin syringe. Let me know if you have any more questions…

Stan August 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm

Awesome. If you don’t mind telling me, what’s the reason you are using Selank. Do you have anxiety issues and if yes, then what kind ? I tend to be slightly hypochondriac and sometimes I am anxious for no reason at all – really weird shit, I start feeling that nothing is real and you know some of the crap that they get people into asylums for. Anyway I’m way past panic attacks now, I’ve managed on my own to understand the root of it somehow and have made great progress. What I’m really interested in though is, if you are anxious how come you feel calm about injecting Selank ? You know the weirdest shi* – I used to get high all the time, use DNP, steroids all the shi* that you are not supposed to, now I can barely smoke a blunt and the whole trip is uneasy. Like If I was you getting sleepy on a high dose of selank I might’ve thought – omg am I going into a coma ? And the way I used to be before I would’ve thought – omg, cool.
Have you found something that has left a permanent positive effect on your mood ?
Is it possible to affect the spleen and the tuftsin production negatively by using Selank ?
Thanks.

admin August 23, 2012 at 11:12 pm

I used it because I am always up for finding something that relieves anxiety with little addictive qualities. Selank most definitely will not put someone in a coma. I could take an entire bottle of it and I’d have little trouble staying awake. It’s not that kind of a drug to be honest. And no, I don’t think this will affect tuftsin production. It is an analog of tuftsin, but that is all it has in common with it. As for something that has had a permanent positive effect on my mood, not really. I do find that a low dose of anti-convulsants like lamictal can be very helpful for someone who has done too much partying in their lifetime.

Stan August 27, 2012 at 8:26 pm

I wanted to ask you if you take 250mcg Selank in the morning, how long would the effects last ? Can you get a full day out of one dose ?

admin August 28, 2012 at 12:27 pm

I find the effects lasted for almost two days. I should put it this way – i didn’t feel the need to redose until two days later.

Kenny November 6, 2012 at 12:00 am

Hello admin reading this article fascinates me on how great amd promising this peptide sounds. Im about to purchase 10mg of Selank and prefer using the injection method but don’t know where to inject and which type of needles should i use. please email me with injection instructions. Thank you.

By the way i suffer from GAD so thats the reason why im thinking of trying this.

Metabolic Alchemy November 6, 2012 at 9:11 am

I really don’t want to sound obtuse, but I am already skirting the grey areas by blogging about this stuff. I cannot discuss injection protocols or how to use any product that is intended for research purposes only, I’m afraid. I will see if there is instructions written by anyone else on how to administer injections of water based peptides and will pass it along if I find it.

kenny November 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm

Yes i know its for research purposes but i dont know why everyone else who asked on this forum got ”detailed protocols” on using selank by some guy named admin. i know how to administer injections its just not for this particular substance. please i ask on my behalf this actually sounds like a way safer alternative to benzos. Thank you Srry my english sounds funny im romanian

kenny November 7, 2012 at 12:43 am

Just to keep this on the private side would you mind e-mailing me injection protocols. Thanks You.

Metabolic Alchemy November 7, 2012 at 11:50 am

Kenny, Thanks for responding. Let me consider the best way to handle this and I will get with you about it.

kenny November 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm

Thanks gladly appreciate. Ive done research on this “Selank” and judging from what I read theres little to NO toxicity
no life threatning side effects. At thid point I refuse to take benzos like xanax with their nasty withdrawal symptomd that make you feel like hell. Selank seems to offer not only relief but nootropic effects as well. I will gladly await your response.
I cam give you my email anytime to contact me.

Jeff November 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm

It appears the price has doubled on the above link from “admin”. Southern Research is $37, but for 10mg. Metabolic is $28 for 5 mg.

Metabolic Alchemy November 14, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Honestly, that’s a killer price that Southern has it for. I imagine they’re able to mark it down so well because of the larger size. My allegiance has always been to my readers, so as far as I’m concerned, I say go for it. Southern is solid too, so no doubts about quality there. (I’m also admin, btw, I just changed it due to security reasons)

Jeff November 14, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Thanks for the info. I’m trying to wean myself off of Effexor and Wellbutrin so price is a huge deal to me. Based on what I’ve read (everywhere) I’ll be looking at 6 -8 bottles a month. That’s pricey. Thanks again!

Metabolic Alchemy November 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Jeff,

Start low. 250mcg-500mcg a day is a good dose. I hope you’re working with a doctor on weaning yourself off those two drugs. At the very least I recommend you go vveeerrrrryyyy slow with your tapering off. Those two are pretty potent, so coming off them will leave you in quite a dip.Are you planning on taking anything else besides Selank after you come off the effexor and wellbutrin? What made you decide to come off them in the first place?

Kieran Ventola January 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm

can you give me instructions on how to inject this please?

Metabolic Alchemy January 10, 2013 at 9:16 pm

Have you injected anything before? I can give out basic instruction but I am not in a position to give medical advice to people over the internet.

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